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Post by jbrowar16 on Feb 16, 2007 20:19:51 GMT -5
Have fun with this one
Runners on 1st and 2nd ground ball to 3rd, 3rd baseman tags 3rd base and makes a bad throw to 1st. R2 scores as the 1st baseman fumbles for the ball. The 1st baseman makes a wild throw to home allowing R1 to score.
Whats the call.
I was the 3rd base umpire when this happened to me and my crew in front of 5000 spectators.
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Post by Sean Bolte on Feb 26, 2007 0:40:19 GMT -5
Runner on 2nd is out on the tag on the bag at third. 2nd out...upon continuation of play and that same runner advancing home, the batter/runner is out as the deception caused by that runner also retires b/r. Runner from first does not score, the play is a delayed dead ball
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Post by jbrowar16 on Mar 7, 2007 22:08:36 GMT -5
Thats pretty good. The call on the play was made by Jim Paranto who is the NCAA rules editor. He called R1 out. And yes it was on because of the deception created by R2.
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Post by Sean Bolte on Jun 5, 2007 12:41:09 GMT -5
Jon-
The only other question that comes to mind is the timing of that play which allowed R1 to score. My answer was assuming that R2, although already put out, was advancing to home and the wild throw attempt to put out B/R was followed by an attempt to then put out R2. That throw then went wild and R1 scored following it. This was not allowed since the play was first being made on an already put out R2.
Considering that this occurred instead --- R2 scores after already being put out at 3rd. First baseman then attempts a throw home at R1 who has rounded third after the wild throw attempting to get out B/R. I would assume in this circumstance that R1 would be allowed to score since there is not a subsequent play being made on R2. R2's run is, of course, not allowed since the umpire already ruled him out at third. Is this the case, or is B/R still banged since R2 is still creating a deceptive play. Also consider the situation where the excuse (whether valid or not) that they were unaware that the put-out occurred because they view the bag wasn't tagged. Just wondering if we are still penalizing the runner for deceptive play -- or since his subsequent actions aren't effecting anything else that it is ignored in this circumstance. Looking at the ruling herein I would opt to say that in this situation the B/R is not put out.
The applicable rule is 7.09 (d) --- put here for reference:
7.09
It is interference by a batter or a runner when --
(d) Any batter or runner who has just been put out hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate;
Rule 7.09(d) Comment: If the batter or a runner continues to advance after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders.
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